Hi, DUmmies!

Update:

I've e-mailed the DU admin to ask them to pull the thread.

Update 2:

The thread has been pulled. I want to thank Skinner and the Admins for responding to my requests.

I see that you have found my blog and you cowards dug around on Technorati and found my real name. I've taken my name off of that profile, but the damage has already been done. Why you thought that my name was relevant to our disagreement is a mystery hidden deep in your drug-addled minds.

Disgusting Hatred for Reagan

In the past, I've referred a post by a prominent member of Democratic Underground, written mere hours after the death of Ronald Reagan, entitled I've waited for this day for 24 long years, now i'm celebrating. In it, the poster launched a profanity laced attack on Reagan. Today, we got somewhat of a repeat, DUer liberalhistorian complains that she heard some people saying that Alzheimer's Disease was far too good for Reagan.

liberalhistorian (1000+ posts) Wed Dec-06-06 02:09 PM
Original message
"Alzheimer's was too good for Reagan as far as I'm concerned"
I overheard this little gem just now at a local restaurant where I was having lunch and was really disgusted. Now, those of you who know me here know that I'm certainly no fan of Reagan at all, quite the contrary. I believe he did incalculable damage to the country, although he was a far better president than the current WH occupant (like that's really hard!) I absolutely hated it when he was president, as did the majority of my family.

HOWEVER. Reagan was not just a president and a politician, he was also a man and a human being. Alzheimer's is a horrible, nasty, insidious disease, a horrible way to die, and not just because it's so long and drawn-out even though that's certainly part of it. NO ONE deserves to have it and to die like that, I don't care WHO it is. And NO ONE deserves to see their spouse, parent, etc., slowly waste away from it and become a shadow of what they once were, either. NO ONE. To be the spouse, child, sibling of someone with Alzheimer's is almost as bad as suffering from the disease.

I know this personally, my stepdad has early Alzheimer's. He's only 63, but had to retire from teaching eight years earlier than normal, at the age of 57, because it was just starting then and, even though we didn't know what it was yet, he simply was not able to handle the rigorous duties his job required. Mom had to do most of his lesson plans and grading for him. The day he took my son out to a movie and couldn't remember how to get back home even though it was only ten minutes away and he'd lived there for thirty years was the day we really had to start to face reality.

He is just a wispy shadow of his former vibrant, alive, intelligent, funny self. The man who once taught Shakespeare, Yeats and Hemingway and who could argue the merits of Hemingway vs. Fitzgerald for hours at a time can no longer even understand anything he reads, even simple stuff. The man who used to write the most beautiful, thoughtful poetry and who won several poetry contests throughout the years can no longer even put two or three words together that make sense. The man who used to have a quick, improvisational sense of humor and who could make anything funny now no longer understands the simplest joke. He now has to have help to shower and dress. I could go on, but it's too depressing to even think about at times.

Yes, I agree with most of you about Reagan and I always will. But let's separate the president and politician from the man and the human being. What's truly insidious about this horrible disease is that the victim actually knows for several years what is happening to him or her and has to deal with that. I have no doubt that Reagan knew as did his family. It didn't and doesn't matter how old he was, he and his family still suffered terribly. How many times have we rightfully slammed freepers for rejoicing in the diseases/deaths of certain people? Let's not do the same thing ourselves. Let's show some humanity.

Okay, so liberalhistorian gets it right. Let's see what her fellow DUmmies have to say:

OhioBlues (1000+ posts) Wed Dec-06-06 02:11 PM
Response to Original message
1. I agree with you, have a heart and some class.
Edited on Wed Dec-06-06 02:12 PM by OhioBlues


insane_cratic_gal (1000+ posts) Wed Dec-06-06 02:13 PM
Response to Original message
2. I agree as well
My Great Grandmother had it.. I've seen several people (work in a hospital) who suffer from it.

Wishing any sickness not matter how much of a scum that person may be, is certainly not an enlightened way of thinking.

Oops. How'd they get in there? Just want to make sure no one's saying I'm just taking a few posts.

BOSSHOG (1000+ posts) Wed Dec-06-06 02:13 PM
Response to Original message
3. My father died of Alzheimer's
It is an incredible strain on a family. I'm not sure what I would do if I were ever diagnosed with it but I wouldn't want my wife to go through what my stepmom did.

I still believe that those who oppose stem cell research should be locked in an Alzheimer's Ward of a nursing home for at least six months.

Ronald Reagan was an evil republican in my mind but he would have been better off dying peacefully in his sleep at a younger age.

How compassionate of you.

LisaM (1000+ posts) Wed Dec-06-06 02:14 PM
Response to Original message
4. No one deserves AIDS either
and many people died from it because Reagan refused to acknowledge it, and to fund early research (I have two friends whose brothers died right before the newest batch of drugs were available). It's really really hard for me to have sympathy for Ronald Reagan. BTW, my mother-in-law died of Alzheimer's last year, and now my father-in-law also suffers from it. THEY did not deserve it. Did Reagan? I don't know, I really don't. It's a tough call for me.

Reagan certainly deserves to have the truth told about his AIDS policies.

ComerPerro (1000+ posts) Wed Dec-06-06 02:58 PM
Response to Reply #4
39. hell, he didn't simply refuse to fund research. He and a lot of RWers
figured that it was a gay plague, and that the victims deserved it

Nothing could be further from the truth, DUmmie.

hlthe2b (1000+ posts) Wed Dec-06-06 02:15 PM
Response to Original message
5. I refuse to believe that many lib/progressives would feel this way
To wish a horrendous disease like Alzheimers on anyone is a betrayal to humanity--much less progressive ideals or the tenets of any religion I am familiar with.

I'm sorry for the pain, liberalhistorian that overhearing this comment has caused you.

Then you obviously haven't read around enough on what exactly is said in DUmmieland on a daily basis. Seriously, I could make every last word I type lead to DUmmie thread after DUmmie thread with endless cruelty towards others simply because of political disagreements, if I weren't too lazy.

chimpsrsmarter (1000+ posts) Wed Dec-06-06 02:15 PM
Response to Original message
7. thats awful. I had a similar experience at a board i moderate at, it went something
like this--"arlen Spector looks like shit these days, is he drinking or something haha?" Um no asshole he has cancer.

Sounds like your troublemaker needs a transplant of a bit of basic humanity. Too bad there are no medical procedures for that.

ComerPerro (1000+ posts) Wed Dec-06-06 02:59 PM
Response to Reply #8
40. I think its funny as hell, and I am not ashamed to say it

And there you have it. To a DUmmie, your political opponents suffering is hilarious.

novalib (898 posts) Wed Dec-06-06 03:10 PM
Response to Reply #33
50. Nancy Reagan "Suffered"???!!!!!
Your comment is predicated on the notion that Nancy Reagan is somehow capable of suffering emotionally.

Of course, that is absurd, since Nancy Reagan has no emotions -- ICE WATER flows through her reptilian veins!!

It would be nice to think that Nancy Reagan suffered emotional distress, but I fear it is just not possible.

Yeah, right...

I think you're the one with ice water flowing through your veins.

DUmmies: How can we stop christianity?

Hat tip, JB at CU, and the link to DUmmieland:

kdsusa (752 posts) Mon Dec-04-06 08:42 PM
Original message
How can we stop christianity?
Seriously. It's done more damage than I can possibly document in one post. It's certainly more evil than Satan.

Let's formulate a plan... How do we eliminate this virus from our planet?

How tolerant of them.

Moonbats use child to attack religion.

Found on HotAir:

Can there be any doubt anymore?

The DUmmies are the single dumbest, most insane group of people to ever steal oxygen from the rest of us. Just look at this thread:

symbolman (1000+ posts) Fri Dec-01-06 03:00 AM
Original message
Put that SOB in JAIL NOW! Defund AF One! Lockdown the White House! Stop HIM!
I'm SO SICK of all this pussyfooting about this Lying Thieving CROOK in the White House playing FOOTSIES with all the CORPORATIONS while our Sons and Daughters DIE and DIE and DIE!

WE KNOW what he's doing, there's MORE than enough PROOF, yet this whole Bullshit Pretention keeps going on, this VAST DENIAL, this PLAYING BY THE RULES GAME while THEY change the RULES to fit their Looting of the Treasury!

The media writes these namby pamby articles about how Bush is "uncurious" and now he SEEMS "hard headed", his "gut instincts" SEEM to have led US down some kind of WRONG PATH! He's either CRAZY (and the Constitution says we can STOP a crazy pResident), or he's just plain EVIL...

HE's a CRIMINAL, he's NOT A KING, and he's SWORN to UPHOLD the Constitution and has done NONE OF IT, None at ALL.

He's LIED and been caught at it, CONSTANTLY. LIED TO CONGRESS, which is ILLEGAL.

He keeps PUTTING OFF doing anything until the last drop of Blood will be spilled, the last gasp of air is loosed from the LAST American Troop, or the last Iraqi CHILD, blown to bits in this GAME they are Playing, the Last drop of oil is safely in an Oil Baron's CUP.

SOMEONE CUT THE CRAP, and get this guy OFF the streets!! You don't let a wild animal run around with an automatic weapon, saying, "Oh well, he's just crazy or something, and eventually he'll run out of bullets I guess.."

DEFUND the Air Force One. Put an ARMED GUARD at the Door of the White House. CUT OFF HIS PHONE. TELL THE TRUTH about what he's doing.

STOP HIM, he's killing and starving hundreds of thousands, and STEALING from ALL OF US. IT IS OBVIOUS. IT IS A FACT.

There HAS to be some LEGAL and NONVIOLENT WAY, some Emergency Measure that can be INVOKED NOW.

THIS is INSANITY and it's being ALLOWED and WE KNOW BETTER, the WOrld Knows Better, the Troops Know better.

It's MONSTEROUS and must end NOW!

Cut off HIS FUNDING, DO SOMETHING, the insanity must END.

I'm sick of the "civilized" GAMES being played out, like ALL IS WELL. ALL IS NOT WELL.

End of Rant. Hopefully not the End of the World before these CREATURES Kill and starve us ALL.

DUFU-esque: Is there any way to ban Limbaugh, O'Reilly and their ilk from the airwaves?

This thread is just begging for a response, so here we go.

Is there any way to ban Limbaugh, O'Reilly and their ilk from the airwaves?

Free Speech for me, but not for thee.


This question touches on the first amendment freedom of speech. But what about speech that provides only hatred, propaganda and divisiveness?

You just described DU.


Can there be any doubt that these people have, through their words and support of a corrupt administration, created damage to our constitution, death to American service people and anguish to anyone with a conscience?

Absolutly no doubt in my mind that you have done all of those.


I'm not a lawyer, so I don't have the slightest clue as to the point where hate speech becomes unconstitutional. But I'd like to hear your opinions on this.

Unfortunately, your DU posts are protected speech, just as a KKK rally is.


have a Congressional committee declare them "terrorists"
and use th Patriot Act to imprison and torture and execute them.

Thou shalt not disagree with a moonbat.


You could turn off your TV and your radio
Can there be any doubt that these people have, through their words and support of a corrupt administration, created damage to our constitution, death to American service people and anguish to anyone with a conscience?

Yes, there can be doubt.

As PJ would say, LOUSY FREEPER TROLL!


Yes, slackmaster. I can turn off my TV and radio. But that doesn't
solve what I consider to be the damage they are doing to our country, our way of life and to basic human dignity.

They are exposing our agenda!!!

Despite my best efforts, the DUmmies have found our little secret!

Oh noes! We might have to donate to the cause of piecing back together all of those exploding heads!

paagal kutta (1000+ posts) Tue Nov-28-06 03:18 AM
Original message
clearly this is bullshit.
i refuse to believe conservatives are more generous than those with liberal, inclusive views. so how is this author dude claiming otherwise?

Link to Real Clear Politics. Damn you Thomas Sowell! We ought to make you pay to repair these sploded heads!

MonkeyFunk (236 posts) Tue Nov-28-06 03:24 AM
Response to Original message
1. I think this has always been true...
but remember, they count churches as "charities".


Downtown Hound (1000+ posts) Tue Nov-28-06 03:26 AM
Response to Original message
2. As someone who has been homeless and worked with the homeless
I can tell you that I have never seen a single Republican volunteer his or her time or money to help. NOT ONE. Every one who ever donated or volunteered was a liberal.

This article is complete and utter bullshit.


Gwerlain (326 posts) Tue Nov-28-06 03:27 AM
Response to Original message
3. Oh, you mean like...
all those rich bastards figuring out how not to have to pay any income tax? So they're giving all my tax money to jebus. Lovely.


walldude (1000+ posts) Tue Nov-28-06 03:30 AM
Response to Original message
5. Oh please, they really want us to believe that whole
"trickle down" theory. Make the rich richer and they'll pass it on down to the poor. Gimme a break. This is how they donate money. Barbara Bush gives $40,000 dollars to help victims of Katrina. The stipulation is that the 40 g's goes to Neil's software company. Yeah what a generous lot they are


Mythsaje (1000+ posts) Tue Nov-28-06 03:47 AM
Response to Original message
6. Aren't charitable donations tax deductible?
Doesn't that translate into MAKING THE GOVERNMENT PAY FOR IT ANYWAY?

Or am I just losing it?


flyingfysh (814 posts) Tue Nov-28-06 06:37 AM
Response to Original message
7. they are counting churches as charities
So fundamentalists who tithe to their churches are throwing off the statistics.


EST (1000+ posts) Tue Nov-28-06 07:36 AM
Response to Original message
9. Sowell is a black republican.
Similar to a Jewish Nazi.
He's nuts.


zbdent (1000+ posts) Tue Nov-28-06 09:55 AM
Response to Original message
11. Maybe because liberals are likely to give to charities (especially legit ones)
just for the sake of trying to do some good, whereas most "conservatives" usually give to charities (esp. ones that are purely there for RW causes, or "fronts" for "charitable organizations") only to the point where it makes a difference on their tax return ... and once they reach the minimum donation for the maximum tax relief, they stop ...


nuxvomica (1000+ posts) Tue Nov-28-06 11:10 AM
Response to Original message
13. I'd really like to see the breakdown
If you ignore donations to religious groups, conservatives may not give so much. The same could probably be said about environmental groups and liberals. Even if conservatives give more than liberals for purely humanitarian causes, the issue is beside the point. No charity can have nearly the same positive effect as progressive government policies and investments. What's the point of giving to a soup kitchen if I turn around and vote for someone whose agenda is to increase the number of people who need to visit that soup kitchen?

DUmmie sees van full of Christian Hispanics... It must be a fundie conspiracy!!!

Our little trip into the minds of the DUmmies takes us to this... Apparently, our little group of mental midgets believes that Rev. Falwell has decided that he just can't compete with the drug smoking hippies at the ballot box, so he'll just start a civil war. It doesn't occur that this may be a group of Christians en route to a worship service at another church...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=214x92596

Tolerant Amongst Us TM strike again.

I'm so glad that I know the majority of Americans can't be good Americans:

ck4829 (1000+ posts) Tue Aug-01-06 10:28 AM
Original message
Can a
Conservative Christian be a good American???
Edited on Tue Aug-01-06
10:33
AM by ck4829
Can a devout Conservative Christian be an American
patriot and
a loyal citizen? Consider this:

Theologically, no.
Because his
allegiance is to white, blonde haired, blue eyed Jesus.

Scripturally,
no. Because his allegiance is to the three of the Ten
Commandments that he can
remember.

Geographically, no. Because his
allegiance is to the place
where they plan to get raptured to.

Socially, no. Because his allegiance
to white Jesus forbids him to
make friends with Americans such as Gays and
Muslims.

Politically,
no. Because he must submit to Pat Robertson, who
calls for the 'godly'
fumigation of Non-Conservative Christians.

Domestically, no, because he
is instructed to turn women into 2nd class
citizens (along with every other
non-white person).

Religiously, no.
Because no other religion is
accepted by his god except Conservative
Christianity.

Intellectually, no, because he cannot accept the American
Constitution since it is not based on Biblical principles.

Philosophically, no, because the 'christian' Right does not allow
freedom of religion and expression.

Democracy and the 'christian'
Right
cannot co-exist.

Therefore after much study and Deliberation
....perhaps
we should be very suspicious of ALL CONSERVATIVE CHRISTIANS in
this country.
They obviously cannot be both good Conservative Christians and
good Americans.
Call it what you wish ...it's still the truth. If you find
yourself
intellectually in agreement with the above, perhaps you will share
this with
your friends. The more who understand this, the better it will be
for our
country.

In light of this is it possible to have a democracy
in the US?
The war is bigger than we know.

Oh No! A DUmmie's friend's wife becomes a fundie!

Anyone who has been following DU since the beginning of Israel's war with Hezbollah knows that they are perhaps more obsessed with the Rapture than the folks at the Rapture Ready bulletin boards. In this DUmmie thread, The Tolerant Amongst Us^TM discuss the ramifications and possible cures of fundiness:


The Sushi Bandit (1000+ posts)
Fri Jul-21-06 01:21 PMOriginal message
HELP: My friend's Wife is becoming a Fundie
Calvary Chapel is her church and he is worried that she will get to the point that she will try to convert him and other stuff. He needs thoughtful advice on the right way to deal with this very important issue in his life. He loves her dearly but it a little scared about it all.I'll share your thoughtful comments with him later today.Peace


Taverner (1000+ posts)
Fri Jul-21-06 01:25 PMOriginal message
Fuck I don't know what to say
Fundies are much like drug addicts. You can't reason with them, they are willing to sacrifice everything including the ones they love, friends and family for their "drug", and they don't quit until they hit rock bottom.All I can say is support your friend during this time - he'll need it.


ayeshahaqqiqa (1000+ posts)
Fri Jul-21-06 01:26 PMResponse to Original message
4. If she's not too far gone,
he might wish to take her to a Dances of Universal Peace. Basically, they are a form of moving meditation or "body prayer" that honors ALL the world's spiritual traditions. They employ simple dance steps and I've even danced with people totally blind and people in wheelchairs. If you are in Hawaii, which I assume from the flag, there are Dances done there. They can change one's outlook. Best of luck.http://www.dancesofuniversalpeace.org/ has more information, but the site isn't always up to date as to who is leading dances where.